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Post by firecracker on Feb 18, 2014 23:44:05 GMT -5
HOW TO CREATE A MIND, KURZWEIL
A question to ponder, if we are not threatened by a car that can go faster than a human can run, why do we feel threatened by a computer that can 'think faster than our human mind?
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Post by inventorunknown on Feb 19, 2014 11:41:20 GMT -5
It's an interesting video, and you must have guessed the 'message' was the ‘artificial civilization’ was also (Mind) as well. Maybe using influence instead of control, and providing the system with enough mathematical functions interlaced with logic to operate on its own. I don’t believe faster processing of information is dangerous to humans, but helpful tool. I believe and while working through this intelligence solution, the secret is creating an artificial genetic sequence and residual memory.
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Post by inventorunknown on Feb 19, 2014 13:46:21 GMT -5
‘Why do we feel threatened by a computer that can think faster than our human mind?’
Then another question becomes, ‘Do we wish for some system that thinks faster than our human minds?’ You know as hinted earlier, my theory is associated with residual memory and genetic sequences. And this will be used in our solution for intelligence…maybe.
This reminds me of another question,
Is the time (unit of measure) in our dream state of consciousness slower then time out of this state? Now let’s ask this question in another way, 'Can the human mind process information much faster in this state of condition?' And does this have something to do with residual memory? I believe so, however, in our solution we will filter noise so residual memory has some heightened clarity. Something to think about…
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Post by inventorunknown on Feb 19, 2014 14:34:40 GMT -5
The theoretical conclusion to the above said,
When residual memory is not applied using the genetic sequences, some repetitive cycle will occur. When this sequence is not applied, the future viable options can be false (or past viable options repeated) and this may cause some larger repetitive cycle. It's most important this repetitive cycle is not engaged.
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Post by inventorunknown on Feb 19, 2014 16:46:00 GMT -5
And lastly,
While working on the equation for intelligence this constantly goes through my mind (ITDNA2 = 1/ITDNA1) why? It’s influencing the outcome, or somewhat like introducing new energy systems and thereafter there's no motivation to continue and do other works of similar nature.
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Post by firecracker on Feb 19, 2014 21:22:13 GMT -5
I like your analogy to memory in sleep state, amazing what the mind can and does do in that state when the 'present' mind gets out of the way.
Is this the definition of 'residual memory' that you are using, or are you referring to something else?
"Residual memory, unlike instinct, is memories directly passed through generations or progeny. Also it could be memories from past lives."
And do you subscribe to the idea that what we experience as reality is actually a hologram?
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Post by inventorunknown on Feb 20, 2014 14:13:23 GMT -5
It’s sometimes difficult for many to understand ‘time maybe slower in the dream state of consciousness?’ But actually the mind maybe processing information faster (have sampled), where more occurs in the same time period (residual versus active). This maybe similar to watching some movie in high speed, and doing so with no ‘reference’ to the movie being operated in high speed (because the mind maybe operating in high speed as well).
Any yes,
Residual memory is active and real time (active memory) is less active during this time. So we apply this method to our intelligence system as to search backward through genetic sequences for past viable options, before pursuing variations in real-time to be later processed in future-time as viable options. Searching back through these sequences will be faster then going forward, because the variations are already processed and stored as viable options in the sequence.
And simply suggesting,
The more accurately projected future (stable) is realized faster when looking into the past, before proceeding into the future (to rediscover past opportunities and prevent repetitive stages that add no value).
I have decided its wasted time to proceed, for several reasons. Our intelligence equation and model is based on needs, knowledge, units of discovery, and commonality (bridges of commonality), for which Intermediates are selected automatically and based on commonality. And these Intermediates are grouped as well and assist in the growth from each level. However, presently we reside in level-3 and working toward level-4 civilization. But, many indicators show our societies are NOT being guided by level-4 influences and commonality nor level-3, but rather level-2 (or unstable Level-3). Now, although it can likely be proven that commonality and influences perpetuate intelligence with use of the above methodology, and likewise genetic sequences for viable options. What use will some complex equation and model be, when it can't be used and will clearly be censored? Like new energy technologies, when control supersedes commonality and influence other methods are of no use.
Do you see unstable level-3 societies being influenced by level-2 groups? Where are the level-3 commonalities and influences, are they being fragmented?
I’ll complete for my curiosity, but this alone. Why should I risk more?
Maybe in the far future, hundreds of years from now or so this will be possible….
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Post by firecracker on Feb 20, 2014 20:51:11 GMT -5
The advancement of AI will, I believe, create a scenario that will force the advancement or contribute to the extinction of the human civilization. And it will do so within this century.
Civilization has always been advanced or influenced by those who pursue the slow arduous task of constructing or theorizing while other, less evolved people entertain themselves and complain about the problems in their lives.
Because the computerized brain has a memory exponentially larger and more accurate than the human memory, it can recall previous attempts and avoid those processes which were unsuccessful.
I don't think we are in a Type 2 civilization according to those I have read. Most say we are in a Type 1. And frankly, because we humans deal with 'emotions', I think we are limited in the advancement we can achieve.
A video I watched last evening was real clear on the fact that because computers lack emotions, and use pure logic, they can avoid many of the pitfalls that we humans encounter when our emotions trip us up.
Your engineering brain has you locked into equations and looking at reverse engineering the big picture.
Have you considered fiction? From what I understand, many, including Dr. P, have used fiction to get past the constraints of their current or previous employment and to reach an audience that is much larger than they would reach with a scientific paper.
I think you have enough elements in your personal story and life events to make an interesting (and informative) novel. And I believe, the best person to write that novel is you.
You should be looking for a ghost writer if you feel you lack the verbal finesse to do your story.
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Post by inventorunknown on Feb 20, 2014 22:56:51 GMT -5
I honestly don't have time to write some novel, and likewise not enough time to complete this scientific paper. It would likely be published in Scientific America, but the times may not be right for this type of work. Of all the people around the globe, I am probably 'one of few' with the ability to develop the correct logic to prevent the above (I have worked around the globe). The problem? I know it can be modified.
Sample (Basic) below. .JPG)
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Post by firecracker on Feb 21, 2014 21:52:49 GMT -5
BUILDING GODS.....philosophical and technical aspects of AI and transhumanism
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Post by firecracker on Feb 21, 2014 22:55:02 GMT -5
AI, Cognitive Science, Neuroscience
A little humor from Noam Chomsky Chimpanzees discovered that talking gets them into trouble, so they developed a language suppressor gene, and it's called the Chomsky Gene.
A distinguished panel:
Brains, Minds and Machines Symposium, May, 2011, at MIT.
Keynote Panel: The Golden Age A Look at the Original Roots of Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Science, and Neuroscience?
Panel: Emilio Bizzi , Sydney Brenner , Noam Chomsky, Marvin Minsky , Barbara H. Partee , Patrick H. Winston
Moderator: Steven Pinker
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Post by inventorunknown on Feb 22, 2014 17:39:47 GMT -5
Here’s one last comment,
Did not have time to watch the video’s, but aware of many current technologies because of my expertise. I also wished to introduce another alternative energy concept related to the fabrication of some basic system for placing water flow in perpetual motion. And this for producing hydroelectric power, but no time for this subject matter (wasted too much time). I am somewhat amazed at the missing ‘links’ in our physical sciences often avoided in our educational programs today.
So making one last effort,
There’s always some slant with regards to technology and artificial intelligence, there are many peoples in need of these technologies so their lives can be improved. With regards to artificial intelligence, this can only exist when humans are capable of sustaining these systems. There’s some interdependency, which simply means without interfacing with human intelligence the artificial system can’t exist. However, humans can exist without artificial intelligence systems, so artificial intelligence is dependent on human intelligence. Human intelligence is not some simple function only performed by small groups; this spectrum is much larger and broader.
‘Emotion can’t be artificially created?’ Not True
The real question is, ‘How to place allot of information in this small comment?’
Intelligence can be more ‘unpredictable’ then many might believe, and this can have some association with spontaneous thought related to active and residual memories. To create or model an artificial intelligence system is complex, and somewhat like the complexities in the ‘evolution of a civilization’. So before modeling it’s imperative to make some comparison to something larger so as to define the finite elements and processes before making this system automatic. And this so the intelligence can evolve as some function of adaptation, for which ‘needs and knowledge’ can be obtained for sustainability and growth. And these elements and processes have some interdependency, and this (in time) requires some interface into the real world. Think about processing information (variations of some need) with respect to the functions of commonality as described earlier. Or looking back through memory to determine whether this ‘need’ is new, or something already discovered and stored in ‘residual memory’. The commonality of many is measurable and varies as information is obtained by each unit.
We have already created a system for which ‘emotion’ was implanted in level-1 of our intelligence system, and this was associated with common variations among many versus the state of hibernation. Firstly, you must understand (the functions) of finite elements as briefly described in level-1 evolution and the introduction to needs (What to pursue). When these intelligence units go into hibernation at this level and (others later), and more then few, the needs can’t be fulfilled. Meaning these intelligence units require more ‘interface’ into the real world. This simply means, the needs can’t be fulfilled due to the ‘lack of understanding’ or the ‘sensory perception’ already has limitations. Therefore, an ‘emotion’ is established through the commonality of these intelligence units (even in most basic state). The measurement of, or percent achieved by the unit or pursuant versus the commonality among the group is in fact some measure of ‘emotion’. This in level-1, however, from levels 1-5 this emotion becomes more complex. The hibernation ‘effect’ can be perpetuated throughout the entire system, because regardless of the instance, there's always level-1 needs and thereafter these ‘needs’ are automatically generated. Therefore the emotional response is greatest in level-1, as associated with the ‘effect’ of the needs to the knowledge obtained.
Not going to discuss this any further and will leave you with this thought, a real ‘artificial intelligence’ system creates itself (and the above model illustrates some basics for level-1). From some baseline of needs, it will produce more needs from variations processed into viable options, and thereafter supply you with its needs as to make some attempts to obtain more sensory perception into the real world. It will basically teach itself, and then ask someone to fulfill it's needs before it can continue (hibernation is an emotional state).
Having said the above, there’s no need to waste anymore time. In the world today, intelligence is being viewed more as some threat, and thereafter another cycle will result as these ideals perpetuate.
So the final message, its 'bonus time' for the ones pursuing.
Give raymond the good news
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Post by inventorunknown on Feb 22, 2014 20:28:54 GMT -5
Now it’s very obvious raymond (role plays) and uses some blog to pass information to peoples from (some website?) as for committing ‘federal crimes against people’. Passing information at this website with regards to electronically changing peoples identities (Federal Crime), and using this deception so others in time will eventually murder the person based on (the deception of changing electronic records). Raymond likely pays people to make these illegal (electronic record) identity switches to create (false criminal records, and the intention). And raymond passes this information (to others) in ‘their’ comments, its more than obvious…..as they have linked themselves with some comments directly to other people and to bank accounts and other monetary values placed with arrogance.
All the above and including the electronic (grand theft of engineering property) are Federal Crimes, so it’s not some federal agency…..its some (criminal group).
*Something many have read about in the past 10 years (changing peoples’ records to create false criminal record), so I’m interested in how many US peoples raymond has criminally eliminated using this illegal system?
I know raymond doesn’t work for the (federal government), but likely another, because the method by which the (people working for them) attempt to collect information.
They are contractors, and it’s obvious.
Maybe you know how many people raymond has committed these federal crimes against in the US?
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Post by firecracker on Feb 22, 2014 22:24:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the info on 'emotions'. I have to ruminate on that a little to understand what you are detailing.
As to all the Raymond stuff, as usual, I don't know what the heck you're talking about, so I presume that's meant for 'someone' else. Either that or you're on some kind of weird trip.
I hope you enjoy the video when you get a chance to watch it. It's supposed to be top people in the field. I assume you know or know of most of them. Perhaps it's redundant for you.
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Post by firecracker on Feb 23, 2014 1:06:38 GMT -5
A LITTLE MUSIC TO 'THINK' BY
While I am an accomplished flutist, my son played the cello, and I wish now that I had kept his instrument and learned to play also. This is a melody from Les Mis, Bring
Him Home....we need to bring our brave military HOME!
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