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Post by inventorunknown on Jul 6, 2013 16:50:03 GMT -5
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Post by inventorunknown on Jul 6, 2013 17:42:25 GMT -5
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Post by inventorunknown on Jul 6, 2013 18:25:33 GMT -5
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Post by firecracker on Jul 6, 2013 18:30:52 GMT -5
Religion. God. Death. Simple little subjects, right? No weight to them at all...hmmmm Let me start with the one about which I currently have the most certainty. Death. My studies and conversations in the last decade have convinced me that we are consciousness and that once we experience 'death' it is simply the shedding of the flesh body and a freeing of the 'spirit and consciousness. Beyond that, I do not know...I'll tell you when I get there, perhaps. I am a Christian. But I also realize that all religions are forms of indoctrination and have been manipulated as societal control mechanisms. And just as in magnetism and electricity, I believe there are positive and negative spiritual forces. And in this thing the Christians refer to as the Holy Spirit, there is a (my interpretation) a 'spirit or 'force within each of us and this Holy Spirit is 'God in spirit. So in a non-religious application of this, I would propose that there is 'within each of us a place for 'spirit. And that place can be held by 'positive spirit or negative 'demon. So now, the ball is back to you. I have theorized in your 'beauty of all things' statements that you are a practicing Buddhist. And unlike Bible thumping Christians, I am on a life 'journey and focus on the life journeys of others as interesting and enlightening. Now as to others who could intervene. Hmmmmm, biblical teachings make it clear that we have to 'ask for help, to acknowledge our insufficiencies and be ready to 'receive the message. Even in our society, one can clearly see that there are many positive messages and paths for people, and yet, what path do they take? Most take a path of darkness and destruction. Why? I know this, you can try to help a 'friend with all your abilities, and if they are not willing to change or accept the help, you will fail and they will hate you for your efforts. I still try to help. It has been my downfall. The biblical reference about do not cast your pearls before swine, I think holds a universal truth. I am far too guilty of this. Do I think there is an intelligence far greater than humans? Yes. But my current confusion comes into play here. Because, as I stated, I am still on a journey. Bible states that we are the body of Christ. (I'm not a biblical scholar, so probably bad quote) Now, who is God, what is God? Is it possible that God is 'oneness'. And if so, are only those whose spirits are turned toward the light, part of this 'one. And is there another force, like the opposite pole on a magnet, which attracts 'the dark ones'? And as far as the prediction tools and death, a. I don't have access to the information from the prediction tools, and b. how would they predict something from which no one returns to deprogram? We are bathed in propaganda. I notice it and tune it out and am constantly amazed at how well it works on 'friends and 'family and Joe Six Pack. Unbelievably effective! It's like they walk around with a big sign board on their forehead that says, "I don't have an original thought or 1/2 a brain, but I love Big Mac, Coors beer and Rachel Madcow." They are like walking billboards for the propaganda! Even some of the Mensa's are totally manipulated. Is it because they are so focussed on their work and so tired from lack of rest that they are easily programmed. sigh I don't know. I only watch the results.
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Post by inventorunknown on Jul 6, 2013 19:01:47 GMT -5
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Post by inventorunknown on Jul 6, 2013 20:10:30 GMT -5
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Post by firecracker on Jul 6, 2013 20:16:42 GMT -5
Okay, I'm not sure what your question is, because my statement "how should this robot think" was an attempt to determine where YOU were on the spectrum. The spectrum, as nearly as I can understand it is from "the sheeple are scum, they are cattle, they are useless to us and we must destroy them slowly and suppress them until we kill them all......to every life, ever fetus (2 month blood clot) must be allowed to be brought to term and all necessary expenditure should be exhausted to maintain life for whatever biological result presents. I am somewhere in the middle. The people I encounter who are into high technology fall much further to the 1st polarity than the second. So initially I would have expected you to be there...however, recent posts have told me I may be wrong. Where are you? Or, if this does not address the question, the 'psychology', then what IS the question? And just to add some complexity to the 'psychology, let's explore my little world. I raise dogs. When I choose to bring a litter into the world, I assess the breed standard and the personality of not only the individuals under consideration for the mating, but also their lineage. And when the litter arrives and matures, I do not show or further breed any who do not meet the standard of both sound body and sound mind. And if there are 6 in the litter, virtually from birth, all have different personalities, even though mother and father are the same and all mothering is done by the same bitch. Now, contrast this to many 'breeders' and to the general public. NO consideration is given to the possible result of a mating. Only to, I want babies. Selfish, unfocused, random. 'Planned' matings in dogs by those who show, have resulted in total destruction IMHO, of some breeds. Poor health, poor temperament, ridiculously unnatural body 'features. Unplanned matings in humans, often disastrous! Is it better that nature and the progression of the human species be 'random' which once in a thousand results in something unbelievably superior? Or should it be controlled? I could make a valid argument on either side, but I see in the masses I view on youtube and elsewhere, some inkling that random is not working to advance the human species. Maybe this is not the direction of your question. If not, clarify.
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Post by firecracker on Jul 6, 2013 20:33:26 GMT -5
Based on the complex deceptions that have been part of our human experience and which have been repeated over and over again...century after century, it is my opinion, that if the robot is designed by humans, it will have a built in deception and would be designed to mislead, deceive and use the power of its intelligence for evil purposes. Not all robots. Some perform very complex surgeries. Some will simply be extensions of automation for mundane tasks in factories. If I were designing a robot that would contain the mind of a human, first, I would be selective in whose mind I would permit to continue on. Sorry, but I cannot conceive of why anyone would want to perpetuate an evil or 'sick' mind. What I might theorize would happen is that once the minds were uploaded to the individual robots, they would be duplicated and uploaded to the mother of all minds and those doing the back door upload would control unbelievable power. It is hard to imagine a 'robot with ethics. We have seen cartoon images of such things. But our experience has been totally different...it has been that a machine is a tool with no 'feelings and no 'conscience.....it just is.
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Post by firecracker on Jul 6, 2013 21:10:19 GMT -5
Wow, while I was still logged in but off doing other things, defrosting the refrigerator, you posted this little gem and GULP! I'm still trying to 'digest it! the ‘real world’ NOW is actually the ‘virtual world’, and the ‘virtual world’ NOW is actually the ‘real world Perhaps what you are 'saying is what Kurzweil expressed. He said that people are spending huge chunks of time online and on their phones and 'identify' with their avatars. I know this. Most people spend the majority of their lives living a 'programmed' lifestyle. The programming today, more than ever, is done by deception and others, not so much 'parents. Because 'parents have been programmed and do not know this. I am no exception. Age brings some insight. The programmers expose themselves. I would live my life differently if I had a do over. That is not to say I am unhappy or discontented. It is what it is. And then, in the end, perhaps this is the life I was 'meant to live. The old saying "life is what happens to you while you are making other plans" is true to the extreme! Perhaps the 'story we are living in our minds is not reality.
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Post by inventorunknown on Jul 6, 2013 21:24:10 GMT -5
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Post by firecracker on Jul 6, 2013 21:46:17 GMT -5
I truly hope this message was not meant for me? Is there 'another person in this conversation? Are we passing some encrypted message somewhere? Dead soon? NO! Don't do something stupid!
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